snow, cold and snow ...

All of us who HATE Freezing and snow should do everything possible to make
'global warming' a Genuine Reality!!!

But being mere would-be Mind Controller NONSENSE, I seriously doubt anything
will happen - unless there's a way to increase the number of sunspots from
93 million miles away ;)

Ouisie

Ouisie

2019-02-05 14:32:48 UTC

man made global warming is a scam. period.

Merely another man made LIE!!!

it's a scheme to, among other things, de-industrialize the west. total
crock. pure nonsense.

And that's only the beginning because along with that Tyranny comes a
Further Decline in the Quality of life!

what is the " correct " temperature of the Earth suppose to be anyway ?

JimD

Obviously, it's the same BS as 'politically correct', more LIES!!!

To me, the Correct temperature would be one that would enable going about in
our "birthday suits" *Comfortably*...like in the Garden of Eden!

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-06 00:08:02 UTC

man made global warming is a scam. period.

Merely another man made LIE!!!

it's a scheme to, among other things, de-industrialize the west. total
crock. pure nonsense.

And that's only the beginning because along with that Tyranny comes a
Further Decline in the Quality of life!

what is the " correct " temperature of the Earth suppose to be anyway ?

JimD
Obviously, it's the same BS as 'politically correct', more LIES!!!
To me, the Correct temperature would be one that would enable going
about in our "birthday suits" *Comfortably*...like in the Garden of
Eden!
Ouisie

the point in asking what the perfect temperature is is to expose that
they can't say. all they CAN say is that western civilization is bad
because we use technology, and that just has to stop .... so we can "
save " the planet. All complete bullshit.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-11 17:22:16 UTC

the point in asking what the perfect temperature is is to expose that they
can't say. all they CAN say is that western civilization is bad because we
use technology, and that just has to stop .... so we can " save " the
planet. All complete bullshit.

JimD

The planet canNOT be saved Unless and Until the OVERBREEDING CATASTROPHE is
STOPPED and the effects thereof SUFFICIENTLY REVERSED!

ANYthing less than That is peeing into the wind!!!

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-12 14:38:48 UTC

Post by Jim D
the point in asking what the perfect temperature is is to expose that
they can't say. all they CAN say is that western civilization is bad
because we use technology, and that just has to stop .... so we can "
save " the planet. All complete bullshit.

JimD
The planet canNOT be saved Unless and Until the OVERBREEDING
CATASTROPHE is STOPPED and the effects thereof SUFFICIENTLY REVERSED!
ANYthing less than That is peeing into the wind!!!
Ouisie

some big natural catastrophy .... or a plague .... or a global war ...

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-12 17:43:43 UTC

Post by Jim D
some big natural catastrophy .... or a plague .... or a global war ...

JimD

I can presently think of only one natural catastrophe that would have a
sufficient impact on the artificially (Stupidity) produced catasthrophe of
OVERPOpuLLUTION and that's if the Yellowstone Caldera Supervolcano blows up
as some geologists predict, and takes out most of the northern hemisphere.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-13 13:54:13 UTC

Post by Jim D
some big natural catastrophy .... or a plague .... or a global war ...

JimD
I can presently think of only one natural catastrophe that would have a
sufficient impact on the artificially (Stupidity) produced catasthrophe
of OVERPOpuLLUTION and that's if the Yellowstone Caldera Supervolcano
blows up as some geologists predict, and takes out most of the northern
hemisphere.
Ouisie

yeah, that would be a good one. Whatever is turns out to be, it'll be
something you won't see coming. That's just a sort of general rule of
life, isn't it ?

Even the cauldera, if people knew that was about to happen,
preperations could be made. Food storage, underground shelter and the
like. So whatever does wipe humanity the next time will most likely be
totally unexpected. Biblically, it's supposed to be fire isn't it ?

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-17 22:44:08 UTC

Post by Jim D
yeah, that would be a good one. Whatever is turns out to be, it'll be
something you won't see coming. That's just a sort of general rule of
life, isn't it ?

The Real thing always seems to get through without being Hyped - it just
happens.

Post by Jim D
Even the cauldera, if people knew that was about to happen, preperations
could be made. Food storage, underground shelter and the like. So
whatever does wipe humanity the next time will most likely be totally
unexpected. Biblically, it's supposed to be fire isn't it ?

JimD

Yes, fire is mentioned as the cataclysmic agent, probably in response to
overpopulation.

But if Yellowstone goes up, trillions of tons of ash ejected into the
atmosphere will block the sun and then the global cooling will become even
worse, as if it's not already.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-18 16:33:11 UTC

Post by Jim D
yeah, that would be a good one. Whatever is turns out to be, it'll be
something you won't see coming. That's just a sort of general rule of
life, isn't it ?

The Real thing always seems to get through without being Hyped - it
just happens.

Post by Jim D
Even the cauldera, if people knew that was about to happen,
preperations could be made. Food storage, underground shelter and the
like. So whatever does wipe humanity the next time will most likely be
totally unexpected. Biblically, it's supposed to be fire isn't it ?

JimD
Yes, fire is mentioned as the cataclysmic agent, probably in response
to overpopulation.
But if Yellowstone goes up, trillions of tons of ash ejected into the
atmosphere will block the sun and then the global cooling will become
even worse, as if it's not already.
Ouisie

and yet, it would seem simple to survive the original event, given
sufficient warning. Now, starting civilization up again afterwards ...
that's the thing of myths. Supposedly it's happened before. How maybe
times depends on what old stories you believe. In any case, the restart
seems to take 10's of thousands of years. Then we wipe ourselves out
again.

And the wheels of the bus go round and round ....

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-18 18:56:23 UTC

Post by Jim D
and yet, it would seem simple to survive the original event, given
sufficient warning.

I doubt it. Humans have been constantly given clues over many decades that
their overbreeding is destroying everything, yet it doesn't faze them a bit
because they're too Stupid to be. Only total disaster will get their
attention, when it's too late of course because that is after a hallmark of
Stupidity.

Post by Jim D
Now, starting civilization up again afterwards ... that's the thing of
myths. Supposedly it's happened before. How maybe times depends on what
old stories you believe. In any case, the restart seems to take 10's of
thousands of years. Then we wipe ourselves out again.

In other words, STUPIDITY=DEATH!

Post by Jim D
And the wheels of the bus go round and round ....

JimD

...right over the cliff!

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-19 05:15:29 UTC

Post by Jim D
and yet, it would seem simple to survive the original event, given
sufficient warning.

I doubt it. Humans have been constantly given clues over many decades
that their overbreeding is destroying everything, yet it doesn't faze
them a bit because they're too Stupid to be. Only total disaster will
get their attention, when it's too late of course because that is after
a hallmark of Stupidity.

in Biblical terms, a flood could come along .. and a few will make it.

in science dogma terms, evolutionists believe humanity has dwindled
down to a very few people at points then recovered. down to numbers in
the 1000's.

in my mind, it's possible humanity has been wiped and restarted more
than once, for various reasons and causes. this current version, us,
isn't the first time the gods put people like us here.

or maybe it is, heck, I don't know. how would i :-)

Post by Jim D
Now, starting civilization up again afterwards ... that's the thing of
myths. Supposedly it's happened before. How maybe times depends on
what old stories you believe. In any case, the restart seems to take
10's of thousands of years. Then we wipe ourselves out again.

In other words, STUPIDITY=DEATH!

Post by Jim D
And the wheels of the bus go round and round ....

JimD
...right over the cliff!
Ouisie

Hey, the moon is a brilliant full tonight. Very cold and clear out.
When I took the dog out, I stood out there in the cold, looked up, and
wondered at the majesty of it all. It's amazing to be alive. Even if
I don't really understand the how and why, I can see how wonderful the
universe is.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-19 20:08:50 UTC

Post by Jim D
in Biblical terms, a flood could come along .. and a few will make it.

God promised that He would visit no more cataclysmic floods upon the
earth...but Fire is another matter.

Post by Jim D
in science dogma terms, evolutionists believe humanity has dwindled down
to a very few people at points then recovered. down to numbers in the
1000's.

I've never heard that one.

Post by Jim D
in my mind, it's possible humanity has been wiped and restarted more than
once, for various reasons and causes. this current version, us, isn't
the first time the gods put people like us here.

All I know is that below a certain level of population, humans are merely
obnoxious pests, but beyond a certain level, they're a Deadly Pandemic
Infection!!!

And we're pretty much there right now as the present INSANE EXTREME of
Overpopulation is far beyond anything previous to so much as even begin to
compare it with, and very soon, if not STOPPED, it will become Truly
Cataclysmic!

Post by Jim D
or maybe it is, heck, I don't know. how would i :-)

Whatever the case, STUPIDITY is Destroying everything!

Post by Jim D
Hey, the moon is a brilliant full tonight. Very cold and clear out. When
I took the dog out, I stood out there in the cold, looked up, and wondered
at the majesty of it all. It's amazing to be alive. Even if I don't
really understand the how and why, I can see how wonderful the universe
is.

JimD

Makes me wish I had a decent telescope. Was interested in something from
Meade BEFORE I learned that they're not interested in customer support, or
Integrity, so now I'll have to look into other options.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-19 23:48:38 UTC

Post by Jim D
in Biblical terms, a flood could come along .. and a few will make it.

God promised that He would visit no more cataclysmic floods upon the
earth...but Fire is another matter.

I have an athiest friend who has other athiest friends ... who
seemingly spend their every spare thought trying to prove Noah's flood
didn't happen. Kinda funny to me ... that they are obcessed by that.
They so want the flood story to be a corruption / amalgamation of
various regional flood myths. Gilgamesh and all that.

Post by Jim D
in science dogma terms, evolutionists believe humanity has dwindled
down to a very few people at points then recovered. down to numbers in
the 1000's.

I've never heard that one.

Yep, that's one theory. Or should I call it " settled science " ....
har har har ....

Wanna say, it's not that I doubt science. It's that I doubt religious
zealots who in the name of science push their religion of atheism.
Pedaling their beliefs as " science ". Science can't prove the non
existance of God.

It can't prove the non existance of something, unless science has
looked under every rock in every corner of the universe and beyond. In
precise terms, the scientific method doesn't even prove things. It is a
way of disproving things. Subtle but accurate point there. That's why
even the most " settled " of theories can be brought down by one
repeatable experiment that falsifies it. And theories have to be
falsifiable, or they aren't scientific theories, they are beliefs of
some other sort.

The current state of science is a belief in materialism. Basically that
everything has some material / physical cause. The very idea that
there are forces, or intelligences beyond our detection ability is
something they run from. It's not even to be discussed.

Oh, well. I can talk like this because they can't kick me out of my
cushy university job for being a doubter. I'm not an academic :-)

Post by Jim D
in my mind, it's possible humanity has been wiped and restarted more
than once, for various reasons and causes. this current version, us,
isn't the first time the gods put people like us here.

All I know is that below a certain level of population, humans are
merely obnoxious pests, but beyond a certain level, they're a Deadly
Pandemic Infection!!!
And we're pretty much there right now as the present INSANE EXTREME of
Overpopulation is far beyond anything previous to so much as even begin
to compare it with, and very soon, if not STOPPED, it will become Truly
Cataclysmic!

Or we develop space travel and get the heck off this rock.

I love Heinlein

https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/robert_a_heinlein

Post by Jim D
or maybe it is, heck, I don't know. how would i :-)

Whatever the case, STUPIDITY is Destroying everything!

Post by Jim D
Hey, the moon is a brilliant full tonight. Very cold and clear out.
When I took the dog out, I stood out there in the cold, looked up, and
wondered at the majesty of it all. It's amazing to be alive. Even if
I don't really understand the how and why, I can see how wonderful the
universe is.

JimD
Makes me wish I had a decent telescope. Was interested in something
from Meade BEFORE I learned that they're not interested in customer
support, or Integrity, so now I'll have to look into other options.
Ouisie

There is a small newtonian I'd like. Tabletop thing. No compex mount,
just the scope on a tabletop platform. I'd like one because it could be
set up easily when I have a little time to look, not hours.

If I find a link to one, I'll post it.

Jim

Ouisie

2019-02-20 01:39:37 UTC

I have an athiest friend who has other athiest friends ... who seemingly
spend their every spare thought trying to prove Noah's flood didn't
happen. Kinda funny to me ... that they are obcessed by that. They so
want the flood story to be a corruption / amalgamation of various regional
flood myths. Gilgamesh and all that.

They could always resort to making a movie about it ;)

Yep, that's one theory. Or should I call it " settled science " .... har
har har ....

The 'settled' part makes no sense, particularly since they are the ones
always changing things, 'revising' their 'theories' to match the facts,
until new facts appear, then they revise it again, and again, over and over.

Wanna say, it's not that I doubt science. It's that I doubt religious
zealots who in the name of science push their religion of atheism.

That's exactly what's happening, and atheism is absolutely a religion.

Pedaling their beliefs as " science ". Science can't prove the non
existance of God.

They're totally arrogant, because no matter what they pretend to claim, it
all comes down to Faith, and they proclaim that only *their* faith is true.

It can't prove the non existance of something, unless science has looked
under every rock in every corner of the universe and beyond.

Far beyond! How far? Literally into Infinity!

Atheistic so-called 'science' only recognizes what it Dogmatically Believes,
as in Faith, to be natural, the Effect, while Totally overlooking, ignoring,
and even vehemently Denying the Supernatural Cause.

In precise terms, the scientific method doesn't even prove things. It is a
way of disproving things. Subtle but accurate point there. That's why
even the most " settled " of theories can be brought down by one
repeatable experiment that falsifies it. And theories have to be
falsifiable, or they aren't scientific theories, they are beliefs of some
other sort.

Science is many things but First and Foremost, without except, it Must
Always be an Honest search for the Truth, or it Degenerates into Sleazy,
Filthy, Lying Politics!!!

The current state of science is a belief in materialism.

That and worship of it too ;)

Basically that everything has some material / physical cause. The very
idea that there are forces, or intelligences beyond our detection ability
is something they run from. It's not even to be discussed.

I don't believe in 'material' or a 'material' world or universe. Rather I
believe we live in a spirit universe, and that everything is made of
something so far beyond our ability to comprehend that we can only call it
"spirit". It was created by the One who IS Spirit, according to the Bible.
Therefore, would He not be inclined to create in the substance of spirit?

It gets even 'freakier'. When studying physics on an atomic and subatomic
level, such things as the *apparent* 'mass' i.e. matter, of objects becomes
more and more 'empty', that is more and more devoid of apparent substance,
replaced with greater amounts of apparently 'nothingness', and not only
electrical properties but even 'mass' itself is said to be a CHARGE, like an
electron, which is believed to have NO MASS at all, only *something* called
a negative charge, which produces a negative electrical polarity property,
or in the case of 'mass', a positive 'substance' property.

This is a Fallen and consequently Doomed universe. An unholy trinity
conspired to ruin it and that's precisely what they did.
And while God, being Almighty, could easily fix it, He has instead chosen to
absolutely totally destroy it and replace it with a brand new universe that
has never know the Vileness and Tainting of unholiness. Because of this, in
His Word the Bible, He refers to this universe being *temporal* without any
use of the term "material".

He further states in His Word that the things which are seen, the visible
universe, are temporal, but that the things that are not seen, are Eternal!

The science of astrophysics backs this up, even if unknowingly or
unwittingly, in its references to at first, "dark matter", and then also
"dark energy", where definite indications that UNSEEN matter and energy
exist even though they remain UNSEEN.

Oh, well. I can talk like this because they can't kick me out of my cushy
university job for being a doubter. I'm not an academic :-)

Talk about Tyranny! Why would ANYone want to waste their time, life, and
hard earned Filthy Lucre on such Corruption as so-called 'higher'
'education' has so shamelessly Degenerated into, even on campus!

Or we develop space travel and get the heck off this rock.

A nice idea, and I'd certainly want to be on that first flight, but not to
repeat the problem!

I love Heinlein
https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/robert_a_heinlein

Some of them are okay ;)

There is a small newtonian I'd like. Tabletop thing. No compex mount,

I definitely want RA and DEC capability on the mounting.

just the scope on a tabletop platform. I'd like one because it could be
set up easily when I have a little time to look, not hours.
If I find a link to one, I'll post it.

Jim

I just wish Meade would be decent and help me out in restoring a scope with
their name on it.

Maybe I should check out some astronomy ngs and see what other observers
have to say.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-21 15:06:59 UTC

Post by Jim D
I have an athiest friend who has other athiest friends ... who
seemingly spend their every spare thought trying to prove Noah's flood
didn't happen. Kinda funny to me ... that they are obcessed by that.
They so want the flood story to be a corruption / amalgamation of
various regional flood myths. Gilgamesh and all that.

They could always resort to making a movie about it ;)

sounds like they did ????

Post by Jim D
Yep, that's one theory. Or should I call it " settled science " ....
har har har ....

And they see that as a plus. Seriously, one of my closest buddies is
a university scientist. And an athiest.

Post by Jim D
Wanna say, it's not that I doubt science. It's that I doubt religious
zealots who in the name of science push their religion of atheism.

That's exactly what's happening, and atheism is absolutely a religion.

absolutely.

Post by Jim D
Pedaling their beliefs as " science ". Science can't prove the non
existance of God.

They're totally arrogant, because no matter what they pretend to claim,
it all comes down to Faith, and they proclaim that only *their* faith
is true.

I'm currently debating the Higgs Boson with my friend. I don't know if
what they found back in 2012 was the " higgs " or if they just called
whatever they found close to the energy levels expected that.
Difference is, did the found thing really match up to predictions.
Well, sorta. Ah .......

Post by Jim D
It can't prove the non existance of something, unless science has
looked under every rock in every corner of the universe and beyond.

Far beyond! How far? Literally into Infinity!
Atheistic so-called 'science' only recognizes what it Dogmatically
Believes, as in Faith, to be natural, the Effect, while Totally
overlooking, ignoring, and even vehemently Denying the Supernatural
Cause.

My science buddy is ok with me believing anything, anything at all
other than Christianity. Once I renounce that, I'm free in the eyes
of academia to believe whatever I want. They are all very tolerant and
inclusive ..... once you renounce God :-)

Post by Jim D
In precise terms, the scientific method doesn't even prove things. It
is a way of disproving things. Subtle but accurate point there. That's
why even the most " settled " of theories can be brought down by one
repeatable experiment that falsifies it. And theories have to be
falsifiable, or they aren't scientific theories, they are beliefs of
some other sort.

Science is many things but First and Foremost, without except, it Must
Always be an Honest search for the Truth, or it Degenerates into
Sleazy, Filthy, Lying Politics!!!

or just money. behind the atheism is a love of money.

hey, I gotta go, solo gig this afternoon ....

finish reading this when I get home. I have time to read your points
but no time to reasonably respond :-)

JimD

Post by Jim D
The current state of science is a belief in materialism.

That and worship of it too ;)

Post by Jim D
Basically that everything has some material / physical cause. The very
idea that there are forces, or intelligences beyond our detection
ability is something they run from. It's not even to be discussed.

I don't believe in 'material' or a 'material' world or universe. Rather
I believe we live in a spirit universe, and that everything is made of
something so far beyond our ability to comprehend that we can only call
it "spirit". It was created by the One who IS Spirit, according to the
Bible. Therefore, would He not be inclined to create in the substance
of spirit?
It gets even 'freakier'. When studying physics on an atomic and
subatomic level, such things as the *apparent* 'mass' i.e. matter, of
objects becomes more and more 'empty', that is more and more devoid of
apparent substance, replaced with greater amounts of apparently
'nothingness', and not only electrical properties but even 'mass'
itself is said to be a CHARGE, like an electron, which is believed to
have NO MASS at all, only *something* called a negative charge, which
produces a negative electrical polarity property, or in the case of
'mass', a positive 'substance' property.
This is a Fallen and consequently Doomed universe. An unholy trinity
conspired to ruin it and that's precisely what they did.
And while God, being Almighty, could easily fix it, He has instead
chosen to absolutely totally destroy it and replace it with a brand new
universe that has never know the Vileness and Tainting of unholiness.
Because of this, in His Word the Bible, He refers to this universe
being *temporal* without any use of the term "material".
He further states in His Word that the things which are seen, the
visible universe, are temporal, but that the things that are not seen,
are Eternal!
The science of astrophysics backs this up, even if unknowingly or
unwittingly, in its references to at first, "dark matter", and then
also "dark energy", where definite indications that UNSEEN matter and
energy exist even though they remain UNSEEN.

Post by Jim D
Oh, well. I can talk like this because they can't kick me out of my
cushy university job for being a doubter. I'm not an academic :-)

Talk about Tyranny! Why would ANYone want to waste their time, life,
and hard earned Filthy Lucre on such Corruption as so-called 'higher'
'education' has so shamelessly Degenerated into, even on campus!

Post by Jim D
Or we develop space travel and get the heck off this rock.

A nice idea, and I'd certainly want to be on that first flight, but not
to repeat the problem!

Post by Jim D
I love Heinlein
https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/robert_a_heinlein

Some of them are okay ;)

Post by Jim D
There is a small newtonian I'd like. Tabletop thing. No compex mount,

I definitely want RA and DEC capability on the mounting.

Post by Jim D
just the scope on a tabletop platform. I'd like one because it could be
set up easily when I have a little time to look, not hours.
If I find a link to one, I'll post it.

Jim
I just wish Meade would be decent and help me out in restoring a scope
with their name on it.
Maybe I should check out some astronomy ngs and see what other
observers have to say.
Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-22 17:19:36 UTC

They could always resort to making a movie about it ;)

sounds like they did ????

Post by Jim D
Yep, that's one theory. Or should I call it " settled science " ....
har har har ....

And they see that as a plus. Seriously, one of my closest buddies is
a university scientist. And an athiest.

Post by Jim D
Wanna say, it's not that I doubt science. It's that I doubt religious
zealots who in the name of science push their religion of atheism.

That's exactly what's happening, and atheism is absolutely a religion.

absolutely.

Post by Jim D
Pedaling their beliefs as " science ". Science can't prove the non
existance of God.

They're totally arrogant, because no matter what they pretend to claim,
it all comes down to Faith, and they proclaim that only *their* faith
is true.

Post by Jim D
It can't prove the non existance of something, unless science has
looked under every rock in every corner of the universe and beyond.

Far beyond! How far? Literally into Infinity!
Atheistic so-called 'science' only recognizes what it Dogmatically
Believes, as in Faith, to be natural, the Effect, while Totally
overlooking, ignoring, and even vehemently Denying the Supernatural
Cause.

Science is many things but First and Foremost, without except, it Must
Always be an Honest search for the Truth, or it Degenerates into
Sleazy, Filthy, Lying Politics!!!

or just money. behind the atheism is a love of money.
hey, I gotta go, solo gig this afternoon ....
finish reading this when I get home. I have time to read your points
but no time to reasonably respond :-)
JimD

Post by Jim D
The current state of science is a belief in materialism.

That and worship of it too ;)

I don't believe in 'material' or a 'material' world or universe. Rather
I believe we live in a spirit universe, and that everything is made of
something so far beyond our ability to comprehend that we can only call
it "spirit". It was created by the One who IS Spirit, according to the
Bible. Therefore, would He not be inclined to create in the substance
of spirit?
It gets even 'freakier'. When studying physics on an atomic and
subatomic level, such things as the *apparent* 'mass' i.e. matter, of
objects becomes more and more 'empty', that is more and more devoid of
apparent substance, replaced with greater amounts of apparently
'nothingness', and not only electrical properties but even 'mass'
itself is said to be a CHARGE, like an electron, which is believed to
have NO MASS at all, only *something* called a negative charge, which
produces a negative electrical polarity property, or in the case of
'mass', a positive 'substance' property.
This is a Fallen and consequently Doomed universe. An unholy trinity
conspired to ruin it and that's precisely what they did.
And while God, being Almighty, could easily fix it, He has instead
chosen to absolutely totally destroy it and replace it with a brand new
universe that has never know the Vileness and Tainting of unholiness.
Because of this, in His Word the Bible, He refers to this universe
being *temporal* without any use of the term "material".
He further states in His Word that the things which are seen, the
visible universe, are temporal, but that the things that are not seen,
are Eternal!
The science of astrophysics backs this up, even if unknowingly or
unwittingly, in its references to at first, "dark matter", and then
also "dark energy", where definite indications that UNSEEN matter and
energy exist even though they remain UNSEEN.

Post by Jim D
Oh, well. I can talk like this because they can't kick me out of my
cushy university job for being a doubter. I'm not an academic :-)

Talk about Tyranny! Why would ANYone want to waste their time, life,
and hard earned Filthy Lucre on such Corruption as so-called 'higher'
'education' has so shamelessly Degenerated into, even on campus!

Post by Jim D
Or we develop space travel and get the heck off this rock.

A nice idea, and I'd certainly want to be on that first flight, but not
to repeat the problem!

Post by Jim D
I love Heinlein
https://www.brainyquote.com/authors/robert_a_heinlein

Some of them are okay ;)

Post by Jim D
There is a small newtonian I'd like. Tabletop thing. No compex mount,

I definitely want RA and DEC capability on the mounting.

Post by Jim D
just the scope on a tabletop platform. I'd like one because it could be
set up easily when I have a little time to look, not hours.
If I find a link to one, I'll post it.

Jim
I just wish Meade would be decent and help me out in restoring a scope
with their name on it.
Maybe I should check out some astronomy ngs and see what other
observers have to say.
Ouisie

I don't really need an equatorial mount. Is that the one the tracks
things ? See, in just a year of not messing with this I forget :-)

Just pointing it ok with me.

as far as restoring an old scope, what's the issue ? Does the mirror
need resurfaced ? There are companies that do that. I'm never had one
done, but lots of youtube videos of people who have.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-25 02:14:29 UTC

I don't really need an equatorial mount. Is that the one the tracks things
? See, in just a year of not messing with this I forget :-)
Just pointing it ok with me.

I like to track celestial objects...it's more fun than just 'hunting' around
the sky to get something in the eyepiece ;)

as far as restoring an old scope, what's the issue ? Does the mirror
need resurfaced ? There are companies that do that. I'm never had one
done, but lots of youtube videos of people who have.

JimD

Actually it's Meade's on board AutoStar computer that seems to work when it
'feels' like it and doesn't at other times. Meade has failed to stand by
their name. I'll try again and if they'll demonstrate Integrity by helping
me out, then I'll buy some replacement parts for the scope, a small
refractor.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-26 02:06:22 UTC

Post by Jim D
I don't really need an equatorial mount. Is that the one the tracks
things ? See, in just a year of not messing with this I forget :-)
Just pointing it ok with me.

I like to track celestial objects...it's more fun than just 'hunting'
around the sky to get something in the eyepiece ;)

Post by Jim D
as far as restoring an old scope, what's the issue ? Does the mirror
need resurfaced ? There are companies that do that. I'm never had one
done, but lots of youtube videos of people who have.

JimD
Actually it's Meade's on board AutoStar computer that seems to work
when it 'feels' like it and doesn't at other times. Meade has failed to
stand by their name. I'll try again and if they'll demonstrate
Integrity by helping me out, then I'll buy some replacement parts for
the scope, a small refractor.
Ouisie

Ah, I see. It might surprise you, but I generally avoid computer based
things when possible. Simple reason, the technology is changing so
rapidly it's not a good long term investment. Kinda like an ice cream
cone in the summer. Buy it, eat it, 'cause you can't save it for later.
Buy computer based things if you have an immediate need. But be
assured, way before you expect it to happen, it'll be obsolete and
useless.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-26 14:01:44 UTC

Post by Jim D
Ah, I see. It might surprise you, but I generally avoid computer based
things when possible. Simple reason, the technology is changing so
rapidly it's not a good long term investment. Kinda like an ice cream
cone in the summer. Buy it, eat it, 'cause you can't save it for later.
Buy computer based things if you have an immediate need. But be
assured, way before you expect it to happen, it'll be obsolete and
useless.

JimD

If it still works, and I can use it, then it's not obsolete.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-26 17:21:27 UTC

JimD
If it still works, and I can use it, then it's not obsolete.
Ouisie

yes. I thought you were having trouble with it tho ?

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-26 21:47:25 UTC

Post by Jim D
yes. I thought you were having trouble with it tho ?

JimD

Yes I am, but all I want is to get it working like it was, and unless they
help me with this in earnest, I'm not going to want to take a chance on
having a similar situation happen if I was to spend a lot of bucks on a much
more expensive 'scope.
Either they stand by their name or they don't. If they will, I will too, but
if they don't than I won't either!

The 'scope is the Meade ETX60 and it's missing the eyepiece, which I could
buy, and would IF the AutoStar computer problem is resolved FIRST.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-02-27 22:51:19 UTC

Post by Ouisie
Yes I am, but all I want is to get it working like it was, and unless
they help me with this in earnest, I'm not going to want to take a
chance on having a similar situation happen if I was to spend a lot of
bucks on a much more expensive 'scope.
Either they stand by their name or they don't. If they will, I will
too, but if they don't than I won't either!
The 'scope is the Meade ETX60 and it's missing the eyepiece, which I
could buy, and would IF the AutoStar computer problem is resolved FIRST.
Ouisie

so what the problem with the computer ??

JimD

Ouisie

2019-03-02 20:26:41 UTC

Post by Jim D
so what the problem with the computer ??

JimD

I[m still trying to find out. Sometimes it actually works but more often it
does precisely what this link shows:

It does exactly what the video shows, most of the time.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-03-04 04:05:38 UTC

Post by Jim D
so what the problem with the computer ??

JimD
I[m still trying to find out. Sometimes it actually works but more
http://youtu.be/stJCA8aORtw
It does exactly what the video shows, most of the time.
Ouisie

The comments on that link seem to say it's a power supply issue, or bad
connection .. solder. Eh, seems reasonable to me. I know this sounds
cold, but I'd toss the thing in the trash. Don't know what it cost,
but my experience with tiny surface mount repairs has led me to believe
it's not worth it, no matter the value of whatever.

Buy something manual.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-03-04 19:26:55 UTC

Post by Jim D
The comments on that link seem to say it's a power supply issue, or bad
connection .. solder. Eh, seems reasonable to me.

I was suspecting some kind of intermittent connection problem, but the Meade
person I talked to seem totally uninterested, which tells me that Meade
deserves that same level of concern when I decide to spend a bundle on a
telescope...although I'd still like to fix it.

Post by Jim D
I know this sounds cold, but I'd toss the thing in the trash.

It's in the closet, basically one step away from the trash right now. But
I'd like to fix it anyway rather than just give up on it.

Post by Jim D
Don't know what it cost, but my experience with tiny surface mount repairs
has led me to believe it's not worth it, no matter the value of whatever.

I got it for free. It was given to me in a 'fix-up' condition, which I plan
to do. The flimsy ultra light weight mount had some of its hardware
missing - no surprise - it's Crap - but I *expect* more from the 'scope!

If Meade had any integrity, they'd help me get things up and running, even
if that meant exchanging it for a new 'scope that they replaced that model
with, it's only the Right thing to do IF their name actually means anything
to them, *and* IF they'd like it to mean something positive to me!

Post by Jim D
Buy something manual.

JimD

I want at least a clock drive and setting circles so I can 'bounce' it
around the sky to anything I'd like to look at.

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-03-05 03:40:41 UTC

Post by Jim D
The comments on that link seem to say it's a power supply issue, or bad
connection .. solder. Eh, seems reasonable to me.

I was suspecting some kind of intermittent connection problem, but the
Meade person I talked to seem totally uninterested, which tells me that
Meade deserves that same level of concern when I decide to spend a
bundle on a telescope...although I'd still like to fix it.

Post by Jim D
I know this sounds cold, but I'd toss the thing in the trash.

It's in the closet, basically one step away from the trash right now.
But I'd like to fix it anyway rather than just give up on it.

Post by Jim D
Don't know what it cost, but my experience with tiny surface mount
repairs has led me to believe it's not worth it, no matter the value of
whatever.

I got it for free. It was given to me in a 'fix-up' condition, which I
plan to do. The flimsy ultra light weight mount had some of its
hardware missing - no surprise - it's Crap - but I *expect* more from
the 'scope!
If Meade had any integrity, they'd help me get things up and running,
even if that meant exchanging it for a new 'scope that they replaced
that model with, it's only the Right thing to do IF their name actually
means anything to them, *and* IF they'd like it to mean something
positive to me!

Post by Jim D
Buy something manual.

JimD
I want at least a clock drive and setting circles so I can 'bounce' it
around the sky to anything I'd like to look at.
Ouisie

I spent time today looking at the EON 315 we blew up using it as a
floor wedge a few weeks back. Hope was it was the common problem of a
loose connector. It wasn't. It's the eq rotary encoder switch, or so I
believe. Can't find a schematic online. I'll try contacting JBL in a
day or two. My thoughts on that cab is .... if it takes more than just
a little more work to fix it ... I'd throw it away. Told band girl that
today. It's technically her cab. Replacing the board with the bad
switch would cost $85 plus shipping, and then I'd still have to install
it. Is the speaker worth that ? Maybe barely.

If it were mine, it'd be in the trash this weekend. I spent nearly
$200 in parts on the last EON we fried and I tried to fix. Weeks of
work, $$$ and it never did sound right. I threw it away finally, and
don't regret that one bit. Those things aren't made to be repairable.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-03-05 18:05:09 UTC

In that case, it's junk and JBL should also be thrown away!!!

Told band girl that today. It's technically her cab. Replacing the board
with the bad switch would cost $85 plus shipping, and then I'd still have
to install it. Is the speaker worth that ? Maybe barely.

That sounds awfully expensive. Self contained amp/eq/speaker cabs are as
much a Gimmick as are those silly 'all-in-one' devices for
computers...printer/scanner/copier/fax/etc... - when one thing goes, it
pretty much all goes. There's a very valid reason for Component systems -
so that if one component fails, the rest keep going and only the defective
component needs to be repaired or replaced. That's also why I always
preferred component stereo systems too...although I'd also prefer a separate
amp and tuner, I'd settle for a 'receiver' amp/tuner 'module', but
everything else had to be in discreet component format!

If it were mine, it'd be in the trash this weekend.

Sounds like JBL is also in need of some Integrity!

I spent nearly $200 in parts on the last EON we fried and I tried to fix.
Weeks of work, $$$ and it never did sound right. I threw it away finally,
and don't regret that one bit. Those things aren't made to be repairable.

JimD

I've seen those Gimmicky pieces of crap mess up too, get 'fixed', and never
sound quite right after that - enough said, I'll have NOTHING to do with
them, unless they cost me nothing, which to me is precisely what they, and
their manufacturers, are worth!

I want audio equipment to be built like a Ford Model A - with Integrity, and
with the full knowledge that they'll be used often, and often heavily, above
and beyond, and therefore also be designed to be easily user serviced should
that ever be necessary!

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-03-06 05:18:40 UTC

Post by Jim D
I spent time today looking at the EON 315 we blew up using it as a
floor wedge a few weeks back. Hope was it was the common problem of a
loose connector. It wasn't. It's the eq rotary encoder switch, or so I
believe. Can't find a schematic online. I'll try contacting JBL in a
day or two. My thoughts on that cab is .... if it takes more than just
a little more work to fix it ... I'd throw it away.

In that case, it's junk and JBL should also be thrown away!!!

So if it's a rotary switch, how did we fry it ? Humm ..... I believe
it's the switch, that's where the signal appears to stop, but without a
schematic of that board, who knows. It could be a chip, or some other
SMC. Maybe the vibrations of operation tore the internals of the
switch up ?

Post by Jim D
Told band girl that today. It's technically her cab. Replacing the
board with the bad switch would cost $85 plus shipping, and then I'd
still have to install it. Is the speaker worth that ? Maybe barely.

That sounds awfully expensive. Self contained amp/eq/speaker cabs are
as much a Gimmick as are those silly 'all-in-one' devices for
computers...printer/scanner/copier/fax/etc... - when one thing goes, it
pretty much all goes. There's a very valid reason for Component
systems - so that if one component fails, the rest keep going and only
the defective component needs to be repaired or replaced. That's also
why I always preferred component stereo systems too...although I'd also
prefer a separate amp and tuner, I'd settle for a 'receiver' amp/tuner
'module', but everything else had to be in discreet component format!

that reminds me, I have an NAD receiver downstairs that needs some
small fix. I should toss that thing in the junk bin, save whatever
precious moments of my life I'd spend working on it to repair.

Post by Jim D
If it were mine, it'd be in the trash this weekend.

Sounds like JBL is also in need of some Integrity!

Post by Jim D
I spent nearly $200 in parts on the last EON we fried and I tried to
fix. Weeks of work, $$$ and it never did sound right. I threw it away
finally, and don't regret that one bit. Those things aren't made to be
repairable.

JimD
I've seen those Gimmicky pieces of crap mess up too, get 'fixed', and
never sound quite right after that - enough said, I'll have NOTHING to
do with them, unless they cost me nothing, which to me is precisely
what they, and their manufacturers, are worth!
I want audio equipment to be built like a Ford Model A - with
Integrity, and with the full knowledge that they'll be used often, and
often heavily, above and beyond, and therefore also be designed to be
easily user serviced should that ever be necessary!
Ouisie

Not a Model A engine, but .... I watched a video on the 1930's ish Ford
flathead V8 engine. Not nearly as good as people's memory of it ... in
some cases. My uncle had one, in an old black 40 something coupe that
rusted down in the field behind our house. Old stuff had issues too,
in that engines case, that it would quite easily overheat and crack the
block.

And the new Apple Macs .... junk. I'm hoping they get the 2019 models
ports to where they will at least partially work with audio.
Otherwise, I'll have to baby these old ones I have now ..... or buy a
Linux thing.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-03-09 20:10:11 UTC

Post by Jim D
So if it's a rotary switch, how did we fry it ? Humm ..... I believe
it's the switch, that's where the signal appears to stop, but without a
schematic of that board, who knows. It could be a chip, or some other SMC.
Maybe the vibrations of operation tore the internals of the switch up ?

The switch probably failed simply from being used a lot.

Post by Jim D
that reminds me, I have an NAD receiver downstairs that needs some small
fix. I should toss that thing in the junk bin, save whatever precious
moments of my life I'd spend working on it to repair.

I sure hate to throw something away merely because it wasn't built well
enough.

Post by Jim D
Not a Model A engine, but .... I watched a video on the 1930's ish Ford
flathead V8 engine. Not nearly as good as people's memory of it ... in
some cases. My uncle had one, in an old black 40 something coupe that
rusted down in the field behind our house. Old stuff had issues too, in
that engines case, that it would quite easily overheat and crack the
block.

But at least for the most part, those issues weren't deliberate!

Post by Jim D
And the new Apple Macs .... junk. I'm hoping they get the 2019 models
ports to where they will at least partially work with audio. Otherwise,
I'll have to baby these old ones I have now ..... or buy a Linux thing.

JimD

Linux! Throwing off Monopolies *IS* throwing off Tyranny!!!

Ouisie

Jim D

2019-03-10 15:01:52 UTC

Post by Jim D
So if it's a rotary switch, how did we fry it ? Humm ..... I believe
it's the switch, that's where the signal appears to stop, but without a
schematic of that board, who knows. It could be a chip, or some other
SMC. Maybe the vibrations of operation tore the internals of the switch
up ?

The switch probably failed simply from being used a lot.

No. It's an eq selector. Hardly ever moved. It may have been damaged
somehow when we transport these. Who knows.

Post by Jim D
that reminds me, I have an NAD receiver downstairs that needs some
small fix. I should toss that thing in the junk bin, save whatever
precious moments of my life I'd spend working on it to repair.

I sure hate to throw something away merely because it wasn't built well enough.

You need to see my basement :-) It's chock full of a lifetimes
unfinished projects. Time to let go of that stuff.

Post by Jim D
Not a Model A engine, but .... I watched a video on the 1930's ish Ford
flathead V8 engine. Not nearly as good as people's memory of it ... in
some cases. My uncle had one, in an old black 40 something coupe that
rusted down in the field behind our house. Old stuff had issues too,
in that engines case, that it would quite easily overheat and crack the
block.

But at least for the most part, those issues weren't deliberate!

They were the result of changing requirements. If Ford had seen the
interstates coming and with them the need for a far better cooling
system in that engine, they'd have made it better.

That's life. Things change. Situations change, needs change.

Post by Jim D
And the new Apple Macs .... junk. I'm hoping they get the 2019 models
ports to where they will at least partially work with audio.
Otherwise, I'll have to baby these old ones I have now ..... or buy a
Linux thing.

JimD
Linux! Throwing off Monopolies *IS* throwing off Tyranny!!!
Ouisie

That could happen. Not for me tho. I have too much work in apple format files.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-03-11 01:42:52 UTC

Post by Jim D
No. It's an eq selector. Hardly ever moved. It may have been damaged
somehow when we transport these. Who knows.

I thought all those switches were recessed or otherwise kept away from
potentially damaging contact with objects.

Post by Jim D
You need to see my basement :-) It's chock full of a lifetimes unfinished
projects. Time to let go of that stuff.

I know how that goes - too many things to do, not enough time, Bummer!

Post by Jim D
They were the result of changing requirements. If Ford had seen the
interstates coming and with them the need for a far better cooling system
in that engine, they'd have made it better.

But that's not the same as deliberately Planning and Engineering Failure
into a product.

Post by Jim D
That's life. Things change. Situations change, needs change.

So long as those changes are ONLY for the Better!!!

Post by Jim D
That could happen. Not for me tho. I have too much work in apple format files.

JimD

Dependence is always Dangerous.

Ouisie

KLB

2019-02-21 18:36:36 UTC

Post by Ouisie
All of us who HATE Freezing and snow should do everything possible to
make 'global warming' a Genuine Reality!!!
But being mere would-be Mind Controller NONSENSE, I seriously doubt
anything will happen - unless there's a way to increase the number of
sunspots from 93 million miles away ;)
Ouisie

man made global warming is a scam. period.
it's a scheme to, among other things, de-industrialize the west. total
crock. pure nonsense.
what is the " correct " temperature of the Earth suppose to be anyway ?
JimD

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
the lasts 100s of thousands of years. Let me give you a prospective:
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
from the GSA:

The web site is as follows:

https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx

Position Statement:
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

KLB

2019-02-21 18:48:17 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

In addition here is a link to NASA a list of supporting scientific
organizations. What you have to understand is that a scientist DOES
NOT make a reputation by going with the crowd but using evidence to
disprove it. I assure you that a reputable scientist with compelling
evidence of either no global warming at all or non-anthropocentric
origins would rapidly make his or her way in the world of science. But
the key is it would take COMPELLING EVIDENCE. There is no conspiracy -
just evidence...

KLB

2019-02-21 18:48:53 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

heres the link

https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

KLB

2019-02-21 19:02:13 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

heres the link
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The society of petroleum engineers (SPE is made up of about 164,000+
petroleum engineers in 143 countries. ) has this to say - note no
questioning of global warming:

Since SPE does not have a focus on assessing climate science or guiding
policy, the task force recommended that we not develop a public
position statement on climate change. At its meeting in March, the SPE
Board of Directors accepted the task force’s recommendation.
The board approved the success plan created by the task force. The
success vision for the recommended SPE climate change strategy states

Post by KLB
• The Paris Agreement calls for “a balance between anthropogenic
emissions by sources and removals by sinks of greenhouse gases in the
second half of this century” (net-zero), which will require significant
input from the energy sector.
• SPE puts its technical resources behind achieving a net-zero
emissions world while continuing to capture the value (more than
energy) provided by oil and gas.
• SPE events and publications should include technical content
relevant to the achievement of a net-zero emissions world.
• The recommended strategy aligns with SPE member interests.
• SPE’s climate change strategy will drive a multiyear focus that
includes technologies, skills development, knowledge sharing, and
partnerships, which will be represented in near- and long-term action
plans.
• SPE provides its members with information needed to understand the
issue of climate change and the interconnectivity of their roles,
technologies, and partnerships in this context.
• SPE pushes the thinking of what is possible with regard to research
and development to address technology gaps.
• SPE promotes technologies and practices that help address climate
change while meeting the growing energy needs of the world.

Jim D

2019-02-22 17:40:52 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

heres the link
https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/

The society of petroleum engineers (SPE is made up of about 164,000+
petroleum engineers in 143 countries. ) has this to say - note no
Since SPE does not have a focus on assessing climate science or guiding
policy, the task force recommended that we not develop a public
position statement on climate change. At its meeting in March, the SPE
Board of Directors accepted the task force’s recommendation.
The board approved the success plan created by the task force. The
success vision for the recommended SPE climate change strategy states

K, take it easy, I'm not a fanatic on this. If the planet is warming,
ok. If it isn't ok. I drove a Prius. Liked it. I have LED lights
thru the house.

I'll look at the link in your earlier post in a bit. That'll be
interesting. I was told just yesterday that concensus didn't matter in
science, that either the evidence supports a position or it doesn't.
How many people believe this or that doesn't matter. Like you say, the
evidence decides the issue.

JimD

Jim D

2019-02-22 17:34:28 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

What you say is true. I'm not a scientist, but several of my closest
friends are. We talk about this stuff all the time. As you may have
gleened from my references to the Higgs debate I'm having with one
buddy.

My question regarding what should be the earths perfect target
temperature is a philosophical one. If the goal is to stabilize the
earth's climate at some level, then ok, then say that.

It is true that a scientist doesn't make a reputation by going with the
crowd, but it's also plainly clear that straying too far off the
mainstream is a good way to be an unemployed scientist. I've spent
decades debating this stuff with my credentialed buddies. It's not
really possible to recap all that in a few usenet posts. For me, and
as you can tell, this comes down to religion. The thing they really
can't deal with is a belief in things beyond our ability to detect with
machines. That seems intentional to me.

Is the earth in a warming phase ? I dunno. I do know the the
politicians pushing some of the proposed solutions would just as soon
see most people dead, as long as they are among the ones who aren't.

JimD

Ouisie

2019-02-25 02:45:38 UTC

I simply don't believe Professional Politician Liars, who can and do claim
ANYthing they feel will further their Agenda, as 'evidence'.

Ouisie

KLB

2019-02-25 05:05:42 UTC

I have a masters in geophysics and have taught science from college on
down for 50 yrs. I hesitate to say anything because it will change
nothing but I cannot help it I guess. There may be groups of
nonscientists who have a cultural/philosophical position on global
warming but you have to understand that in general, scientists don't
care whether the temperature on average is going up or down. They
follow the evidence. And the evidence not only is that the average
world wide temperatures are rising but rising faster than any time in
As mentioned, I started my life as a petroleum geologist and I can tell
you that among science types they are very conservative. Here is the
current statement on global warming by the geological society of
america (whose bread and butter is carbon based fuels) Remember this is
not the position statement from the Sierra Club or Green Peace, this
https://www.geosociety.org/gsa/positions/position10.aspx
Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from
both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of
America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of
Science (2005), the National Research Council (2011), the
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2013) and the U.S.
Global Change Research Program (Melillo et al., 2014) that global
climate has warmed in response to increasing concentrations of carbon
dioxide (CO2) and other greenhouse gases. The concentrations of
greenhouse gases in the atmosphere are now higher than they have been
for many thousands of years. Human activities (mainly greenhouse-gas
emissions) are the dominant cause of the rapid warming since the middle
1900s (IPCC, 2013). If the upward trend in greenhouse-gas
concentrations continues, the projected global climate change by the
end of the twenty-first century will result in significant impacts on
humans and other species. The tangible effects of climate change are
already occurring. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change
will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely
to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic
sources.

What you say is true. I'm not a scientist, but several of my closest
friends are. We talk about this stuff all the time. As you may have
gleened from my references to the Higgs debate I'm having with one
buddy.
My question regarding what should be the earths perfect target
temperature is a philosophical one. If the goal is to stabilize the
earth's climate at some level, then ok, then say that.
It is true that a scientist doesn't make a reputation by going with the
crowd, but it's also plainly clear that straying too far off the
mainstream is a good way to be an unemployed scientist. I've spent
decades debating this stuff with my credentialed buddies. It's not
really possible to recap all that in a few usenet posts. For me, and
as you can tell, this comes down to religion. The thing they really
can't deal with is a belief in things beyond our ability to detect with
machines. That seems intentional to me.
Is the earth in a warming phase ? I dunno. I do know the the
politicians pushing some of the proposed solutions would just as soon
see most people dead, as long as they are among the ones who aren't.
JimD

I think it is sad that our basic distrust of the government and
politicians has so infected the discussion that science gets pushed out
of the way in the US. I really don't see a solution to the directions
we are going... I have three children and two grandchildren and I am
very concerned for the world they will inherit. I don't mean a world
hotter or colder - I mean a world bathed in cynicism. That is not
directed at you or me or anyone in particular. Just the general
climate, pardon the term, of our country right now... Anyway, I enjoy
the music discussions and have learned a great deal. My best to you.

Jim D

2019-02-26 02:31:41 UTC

Post by KLB
I think it is sad that our basic distrust of the government and
politicians has so infected the discussion that science gets pushed out
of the way in the US. I really don't see a solution to the directions
we are going... I have three children and two grandchildren and I am
very concerned for the world they will inherit. I don't mean a world
hotter or colder - I mean a world bathed in cynicism. That is not
directed at you or me or anyone in particular. Just the general
climate, pardon the term, of our country right now... Anyway, I enjoy
the music discussions and have learned a great deal. My best to you.

All true. Congratulations on having grandchildren. Family is good.

I've been disengaging from politics lately. I have a very simple view
on this topic. Most of what people believe is from being told it by
someone. Either by authority figures via education or by sucking in
propoganda via the media. Very little of what people " know ",
believe, actually comes from things they've tested themselves or from
personal experience.

It all comes down to who you believe. Sadly, politicians and other
people who would be our betters know this. Control the media and you
control what most people believe. That works quite well for their
interests. They don't get everyone. There will always be a few stubborn
doubters out there. They don't care. Conspiracy theory, crackpot,
extremeist, just names to marginalize those who doubt the party line.
Put me in that group.

That said, I enjoy this place. Got no axes to grind. In fact, yes,
showing me the error of my ways is fine. I'm certainly wrong about a
lot of things. I know some ideas I hold are right, and many are
probably wrong. Problem is, I dont' have an infinity of time to work
out which are which. So I have to let some ideas I hold be. Maybe they
are right, maybe they aren't. I spend time on the most important,
the other things will just have to be in a gray area of " maybe ".

So have patience with me. I'm just an old guitar player, trying to get
thru life without hurting anyone who doesn't deserve it.

JimD

KLB

2019-02-27 18:45:45 UTC

All true. Congratulations on having grandchildren. Family is good.
I've been disengaging from politics lately. I have a very simple view
on this topic. Most of what people believe is from being told it by
someone. Either by authority figures via education or by sucking in
propoganda via the media. Very little of what people " know ",
believe, actually comes from things they've tested themselves or from
personal experience.
It all comes down to who you believe. Sadly, politicians and other
people who would be our betters know this. Control the media and you
control what most people believe. That works quite well for their
interests. They don't get everyone. There will always be a few stubborn
doubters out there. They don't care. Conspiracy theory, crackpot,
extremeist, just names to marginalize those who doubt the party line.
Put me in that group.
That said, I enjoy this place. Got no axes to grind. In fact, yes,
showing me the error of my ways is fine. I'm certainly wrong about a
lot of things. I know some ideas I hold are right, and many are
probably wrong. Problem is, I dont' have an infinity of time to work
out which are which. So I have to let some ideas I hold be. Maybe they
are right, maybe they aren't. I spend time on the most important,
the other things will just have to be in a gray area of " maybe ".
So have patience with me. I'm just an old guitar player, trying to get
thru life without hurting anyone who doesn't deserve it.
JimD

I too have started to disengage from the political area. I mentioned I
think that I am finally retiring and my plan is hunker down in my home
in MO and go out only when 1) my wife requires it 2) I need groceries
or 3) to play an occasional gig with friends. I tell my wife this and
she laughs but I am being serious. The negativity and discord just
gets me down. So, Here's to Music! Long may it wave!

Jim D

2019-02-27 23:21:48 UTC

Post by Jim D
That said, I enjoy this place. Got no axes to grind. In fact, yes,
showing me the error of my ways is fine. I'm certainly wrong about a
lot of things. I know some ideas I hold are right, and many are
probably wrong. Problem is, I dont' have an infinity of time to work
out which are which. So I have to let some ideas I hold be. Maybe they
are right, maybe they aren't. I spend time on the most important,
the other things will just have to be in a gray area of " maybe ".
So have patience with me. I'm just an old guitar player, trying to get
thru life without hurting anyone who doesn't deserve it.
JimD

Cool, common ground, music. I figure I have a few, not a lot but a few
more years to play out. Or to play at all. I work with people I enjoy,
and they're a precious few.

It's time to narrow my goals. Decide what I really want to do, and let
the rest slide. In talking to the girls ( wife and band girl .. my
rest of my trio ) they are saying it's time to take the brakes off the
sequencer / computer. For several reasons, I've always did the least
possible with the backings we make. One reason was that when I started
this, the general reaction to seeing a computer on stage was to poo poo
it. Looks too much like karaokie which scares musicians like garlics
to a vampire :-)

Years have passed. We're seeing more and more of the WORKING local
bands doing what we are, shrinking in personel and using some backings.

The wisdom back in the day was that audiences would more readily accept
tracks and technology if you were a keyboard based artist. If you
played guitar, best avoid this stuff. And that's what I was back then,
a singing guitarist. More and more tho I'm playing keyboards. My solo
work aside, I've been in bands of skrinking or expanding size and
mostly playing keyboards. I still play guitar at my solo and duo gigs.
Just not worth the extra effort to carry guitar and keys. Band / trio
jobs I take it all.

The backings evolve daily. I change this or that, replay things, change
instruments. I'm not gonna make and keep track of two versions of each
songs backing tracks. One plain one for solo work, and a fuller more
elaborate one for band work. Over time it's just use one version, use
it in all situations.

Now, the girls ask, why hold back at all ? They aren't impressed with
whether some other musicians like how we work. We're past that. It's
damn the torpedoes time. Take my foot off the brake, do the most I can
with the computer.

to be continued ...

JimD

KLB

2019-02-28 22:41:12 UTC

Cool, common ground, music. I figure I have a few, not a lot but a few
more years to play out. Or to play at all. I work with people I enjoy,
and they're a precious few.
It's time to narrow my goals. Decide what I really want to do, and let
the rest slide. In talking to the girls ( wife and band girl .. my
rest of my trio ) they are saying it's time to take the brakes off the
sequencer / computer. For several reasons, I've always did the least
possible with the backings we make. One reason was that when I started
this, the general reaction to seeing a computer on stage was to poo poo
it. Looks too much like karaokie which scares musicians like garlics
to a vampire :-)
Years have passed. We're seeing more and more of the WORKING local
bands doing what we are, shrinking in personel and using some backings.
The wisdom back in the day was that audiences would more readily accept
tracks and technology if you were a keyboard based artist. If you
played guitar, best avoid this stuff. And that's what I was back then,
a singing guitarist. More and more tho I'm playing keyboards. My solo
work aside, I've been in bands of skrinking or expanding size and
mostly playing keyboards. I still play guitar at my solo and duo gigs.
Just not worth the extra effort to carry guitar and keys. Band / trio
jobs I take it all.
The backings evolve daily. I change this or that, replay things, change
instruments. I'm not gonna make and keep track of two versions of each
songs backing tracks. One plain one for solo work, and a fuller more
elaborate one for band work. Over time it's just use one version, use
it in all situations.
Now, the girls ask, why hold back at all ? They aren't impressed with
whether some other musicians like how we work. We're past that. It's
damn the torpedoes time. Take my foot off the brake, do the most I can
with the computer.
to be continued ...
JimD

One thing I have observed is that other than other musicians (mostly
ones who never play out) nobody really gives a s*** about whether you
use tracks or how much track you use. I always tried to build very
simple tracks with bass and drums and often little else. Maybe a bit
of a chording instrument for when I took a solo but very stripped. I
realize now that it wasn't necessary. If someone is going to be down
on tracks, they will be regardless of how simple you keep it so I
suppose I might as well add some meat to the bare bones. Is that what
you are getting at? Using more complex tracks?

Jim D

2019-03-01 16:36:26 UTC