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OT-Craigslist pricing.
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Jim
2009-01-29 19:37:16 UTC
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What I'm learning is how CL prices differs from ebay, and what that
means to me.

I like to deal, to haggle, to negotiate on prices. That was common in
music stores when I was a kid, so I grew up with that mindset. Sure,
there's a price tag on it, but what would it really take to buy it. This
may be a disappearing thing with the move to buying stuff off the net.
No real way to negotiate with an online pricing computer. What you can
do is walk, move on to the next seller.

And that's what I'm realizing about Craigslist, sometimes I need to just
move on past a particular sale.

On ebay, you can look a seller up, see if they are reliable. Craigs....
nope.


On ebay, you can look up completed auctions and kind of determine what
something might actually be worth. For example, if some particular amp
always sells around $200, and never ever sold over $275... then a Buy it
Now at $499 is just stupid.

There is more wrong with the Craigslist model, sure. But today I'm
focusing in on how some guys put stuff on Craigslist at " stupid "
prices. The ads run their 30 days and get deleted ... and then they just
put them back at the same price. That seemed crazy to me. I mean, if
something is going to sell at X price, it will in a day or two. If it
runs 30... then 60 ... then 90 days and hasn't sold, it isn't gonna at
that price.

My normal game it to respond to ads of stuff I'm interested in, and
offer a fair, lower price. Out of about 30 buys since fall, I've been
turned down 3 times, and each by a guy who's item is still there,
running for the 3rd or 4th 30 day cycle, same price, same ad. This sort
of mystified me until this morning when my cuz said, they are looking of
someone to come along who DOESN'T know what the item is worth. Well,
duh, I'm feeling dumb. I thought they wanted to sell it, and yeah, they
do... but for way over what it's worth. Kind of like guys who drive all
the time with for sale signs in their car window. It's always for sale
if you want to pay over market for it.

This is kind of different from ebay, where you can spot sales like this
right off, and they don't last, because ebay charges to run it.


What I need to do is mentally adjust to walking away from these " sucker
" sales on CL. Or, maybe devise a buying plan that either exposes them
or forces their hand before I spend time wishing. Perhaps something like
rr's " gee that is an in demand weekend " strategy. I could make an
offer, and if snubbed, follow up with a time limited second one, or an
even lower second try. Not that they care, they will just keep running
the same " looking for a sucker " one.

jim d .. older and wiser today.
rr
2009-01-30 00:29:44 UTC
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My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
Jim
2009-01-30 04:08:55 UTC
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Post by rr
My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
I don't look at the musical instrument part of Craigslist. Did once or
twice, thought.... geez, that are these guys thinking. As in, it has
what I'd consider quite high prices for stuff.

Your comment caused me to give it another look. Once my eyes got use to
the seemingly 100's and 100's of postings of what appear to be drummers
trying to sell their old kits one piece at a time, I did see a few
interesting things.


I suppose the prices seem high ( compared to the bike section prices )
because I know what musical stuff sells for. On bikes I can still be
fooled now and then :-) I guess the plan is ask some crazy high price,
then deal down.


I will watch that a while. Maybe a nice harmonizer will show up and that
WOULD tip me back into rack land, probably.


jim d
rr
2009-01-30 04:42:25 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by rr
My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
I don't look at the musical instrument part of Craigslist. Did once or
twice, thought.... geez, that are these guys thinking. As in, it has
what I'd consider quite high prices for stuff.
Your comment caused me to give it another look. Once my eyes got use to
the seemingly 100's and 100's of postings of what appear to be drummers
trying to sell their old kits one piece at a time, I did see a few
interesting things.
I suppose the prices seem high ( compared to the bike section prices )
because I know what musical stuff sells for. On bikes I can still be
fooled now and then :-)   I guess the plan is ask some crazy high price,
then deal down.
I will watch that a while. Maybe a nice harmonizer will show up and that
WOULD tip me back into rack land, probably.
jim d
90% of the pricing is crazy. You have to mine for nuggets on CL. On
the selling side though I won't even post to ebay anymore. I can throw
it, at a decent price on CL, and it gets snatched up immediately.
pTooner
2009-01-30 13:56:11 UTC
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Post by Jim
Post by rr
My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
I don't look at the musical instrument part of Craigslist. Did once or
twice, thought.... geez, that are these guys thinking. As in, it has
what I'd consider quite high prices for stuff.
Your comment caused me to give it another look. Once my eyes got use to
the seemingly 100's and 100's of postings of what appear to be drummers
trying to sell their old kits one piece at a time, I did see a few
interesting things.
I suppose the prices seem high ( compared to the bike section prices )
because I know what musical stuff sells for. On bikes I can still be
fooled now and then :-) I guess the plan is ask some crazy high price,
then deal down.
I will watch that a while. Maybe a nice harmonizer will show up and that
WOULD tip me back into rack land, probably.
jim d
90% of the pricing is crazy. You have to mine for nuggets on CL. On
the selling side though I won't even post to ebay anymore. I can throw
it, at a decent price on CL, and it gets snatched up immediately.

I've pretty much walked away from ebay because of their policy changes.
Since they took all the power away from the sellers and you can't even file
neg feedback to deadbeat buyers it drove the prices way up. SInce the
sellers are taking all the chances, they had to raise their prices or
reserves. Craigs list is just like the local classifieds, there are a few
good deals and quite a few dreamers.

Gerry
Jim
2009-01-30 15:41:59 UTC
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Post by rr
90% of the pricing is crazy. You have to mine for nuggets on CL. On
the selling side though I won't even post to ebay anymore. I can throw
it, at a decent price on CL, and it gets snatched up immediately.
I've pretty much walked away from ebay because of their policy changes.
Since they took all the power away from the sellers and you can't even file
neg feedback to deadbeat buyers it drove the prices way up. SInce the
sellers are taking all the chances, they had to raise their prices or
reserves. Craigs list is just like the local classifieds, there are a few
good deals and quite a few dreamers.
Gerry
I had a friend who was all into ebay for a while. She sold many pieces
of my old music gear for me and that went well ... $$$ .. but there were
a few problem sales. She's not so into it anymore.

Ebay has some bad things about it, like all the fees, and the way they
end auctions. One of the gun friendly auctions, GunBrokers maybe, has a
much better scheme. Bids at the end extend the auction another 15
minutes iirc. And then any more bids would do the same. I'm not sure the
timing rules, but I do know it stops snipping. It's more like a real
auction, where the guy willing to bid the highest actually wins.

Ebay seems more and more to be just a sort of giant online shopping
mall.... so many of the sellers are stores.

Oh well, it was a fun thing once.

jim d
Danny T
2009-02-03 01:28:19 UTC
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Post by rr
My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
Here's a better tip ... :-)

When you search CL on google, do it like this:

Guitar whachamigger site:craigslist.org

Google will search all Guitar whachamiggers on ALL CL pages
everywhere! it will give you a great idea for price
SID
2009-02-15 17:39:30 UTC
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Post by Danny T
Post by rr
My basic rule of thumb is, if I can find it on craigslist and it's
local, I go there first. Ebay comes next in line followed by retail.
Here's a better tip ... :-)
Guitar whachamigger site:craigslist.org
Google will search all Guitar whachamiggers on ALL CL pages
everywhere! it will give you a great idea for price
http://tinyurl.com/aqgdbw

Ernie Garner
2009-01-30 19:37:52 UTC
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Post by Jim
What I'm learning is how CL prices differs from ebay, and what that
means to me.
Around here, Craigslist is bottom feeders. Even with their cut,
you'll get more with Ebay/Paypal.

Ernie
jim d
2009-01-31 03:22:33 UTC
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Post by Ernie Garner
Post by Jim
What I'm learning is how CL prices differs from ebay, and what that
means to me.
Around here, Craigslist is bottom feeders. Even with their cut,
you'll get more with Ebay/Paypal.
Ernie
I'm having fun making low ball offers on stuff. It's sort of childish I
guess.


jim d
rr
2009-01-31 05:23:36 UTC
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Around here, Craigslist is bottom feeders.  Even with their cut,
you'll get more with Ebay/Paypal.
Another naive statement. Talk about someone living in their own world.
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